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An Interview with Ilise Feitshans: Winkelman v Parma City 2007: The US Supreme Court Case That Impacts Daily Life of Every School Child in the USA
By Michael F. Shaughnessy Senior Columnist EdNews.org | Published  02/13/2007 | Special Education , Commentaries and Reports | Rating:
Michael F. Shaughnessy Senior Columnist EdNews.org
Dr. Shaughnessy is currently Professor in Educational Studies and is a Consulting Editor for Gifted Education International and Educational Psychology Review. In addition, he writes for www.EdNews.org and the International Journal of Theory and Research in Education. He has taught students with mental retardation, learning disabilities and gifted. He is on the Governor's Traumatic Brain Injury Advisory Council and the Gifted Education Advisory Board in New Mexico. He is also a school psychologist and conducts in-services and workshops on various topics. 

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An Interview with Ilise Feitshans: Winkelman v Parma City 2007: The US Supreme Court Case That Impac
Michael F.Shaughnessy
Senior Columnist EdNews.org
Eastern New Mexico University

1. First of all, can you tell us in general, some details about the famed " Winkleman" case. What are the issues?

Like any case before the US Supreme Court, the issue before the Court itself has a life of its own. The issue that the Court will hear concerns “whether parents have a right to prosecute a case under IDEA on behalf of their child” or instead whether they must hire a lawyer.

That question, although very important was not in the forefront of anyone’s concerns when the case started years and years ago.
Many years ago, in a school district in Cleveland, a parent had a child who required special education. That parent sought and obtained and Individualized Education Plan (IEP) for that child under the statute called the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).

That statute, passed into law in 1975 and was known as Public Law 94-142, the Education for All Handicapped Children Act , provides many types of protections against discrimination, but most importantly, it ensures that parents have a voice in their child’s education by considering it a form of contract when the parents, school administration and staff agree upon and write on paper the IEP. That is the basic legal framework of the case, but it is only part of the story. IDEA also has a series of provisions under law, beyond the contract called IEP. Those additional provisions are designed to enforce the IEP.

Just a few of the avenues of recourse enjoyed by parents under IDEA statute include so-called “due process” hearings, mediation and resolution meetings. There is also recourse in the courts when parents disagree with the terms of the IEP, disagree about placement for their child; or if the IEP is not implemented correctly.

If the IEP is not implemented, there are also civil rights proceedings available to parents provided by the government at the state and federal level.

So there is this complex web of laws surrounding the IEP. But that is the beginning of the story.

Along comes the family in the Winkelman case, and they have lost their case against the school district at every level. They go to the Courts of Appeals in Ohio, and the court says, “Wait, you can’t bring your case here, you are a parent, not an attorney, you need an attorney”.

And that is what brings us to the US Supreme Court: when competent parents who care about their child want to enforce rights under the IDEA law or within the terms of the IEP, why can’t they simply bring the case themselves, just as if they were the child since the child is a minor and disabled too?

Or, are we going to say at every court in the USA, if you want to enforce your parental view of your child’s rights regarding education in the USA, you must have an attorney?

From the point of view of costs, the notion that every parent who wants to enforce rights must have a lawyer will be very expensive. When, for example, does one start to need an attorney? If any IEP can end up in the US Supreme Court (and this is the third one in two years to do so) then really it would be silly to go to an IEP meeting or have an evaluation without an attorney.

There is no beginning and no end if the law requires the parents to have an attorney, just more expense in an already complicated swamp of a system that is overburdened and expensive already.

SO that is the question before the Court: can you be just a simple parent interested in enforcing your child’s rights in order to bring a case under the IDEA statute, or must every child be represented by an attorney?

2) How did you get involved?

I am very lucky. There is a brilliant team of young lawyers who were concerned about this case once they found out what happened to the Winkelmans. That team decided to ask the US Supreme Court to stop the proceedings in the Courts of Appeals in order to determine whether the family needs an attorney. It was probably the last thing the school district expected—except of course for what happened next, which is the US Supreme Court heard the petition for the stay, (that’s what stopping a case is called) and actually granted it. I was not part of the team then. But we had heard about each other’s work, because I am very active in the law of special education and advocacy rights for people with disabilities. I taught legislation for five years in a law school, I have drafted successful legislation about special education, and I have a public health degree from the Bloomberg School of Public Health, Johns Hopkins University, in addition to having served as an attorney for a quarter of a century. So we found each other, and I agreed to lend some expertise for free.

Here’s the fascinating part of this history:

The same issues faced by the family in Ohio impact the rights to enforce the IEP under IDEA faced by parents in Cherry Hill New Jersey. And soon it was agreed that the family in Ohio would be supported by several Friends of the Court, including a family whom they never met, facing the same or similar problems in New Jersey.

This case actually, when one thinks about it carefully, impacts the daily life of any child who deserves Special Education regardless whether that student is placed in a private school or a public school or some alternative facility.

Because the IDEA statute requires inclusion of special education students in the so-called regular or mainstream classrooms, it is really true that the outcome of this case will have an impact on the daily life of every school child in this nation.

3) Please tell us non attorneys what you mean by "amicus" and what your position is in that regard.

Amicus refers to the notion of a Friend of the Court. If you can, imagine a judge sitting on a complex case who is perplexed by the many different facets of the case and doesn’t really have time to study all the relevant policy concerns or the nuances of the law. He or she may be a sophisticated, knowledgeable judge, who just doesn’t happen to know in very deep detail about this one corner of the law. Not a silly person. A person one can respect, but simply unaware of the problem in the law until confronted with the opportunity to decide a case about it.

So each litigant tells their story and has their side to argue before the judge.

Well, along comes someone else, someone new who has no immediate interest as a named party in the case. They are not the litigants, but they have an interest in the outcome of the case. Maybe they care deeply about the underlying values in the Court’s social policy. Maybe they spend a lot of money or time trying to achieve some of the goals of one of the litigants, especially if one litigant is a government agency.

Or maybe, as in this case, the Amicus, has very similar interests and concerns as one of the litigants, and therefore has experience and expertise and a point of view to be considered that would not be raised by the litigants themselves.

So, imagine this Friend comes along and says, “Come here, judge, let me whisper in your ear before you write your opinion. Let me tell you what I think is the important problem in this case, and what I would do if the judge were me”.

An Amicus must disclose why this is so important to them, in a statement of interest at the outset of their brief. An Amicus cannot alter the course of the case through testimony or by offering evidence the way one sees in a fake trial on television.

An Amicus offers reasoning and insight into the body of evidence, however, and if expressed reasonably in the right context, the views of the Amicus will be taken into account and may even have an influence on the final outcome.

4) What are the possible outcomes of this case and how would they affect first, parent, and then teachers, and then students?

I’ll answer the second part first, because that is an easier question. The effects should be about the same throughout the system, unless the Court writes some new guidelines for these relationships into its opinion when making its ruling.

I think the results would have the same impact for everyone because the question really boils down to whether the system has left any built-in accountability. Whether parents can bring a case on behalf of their child or instead a lawyer does it, we are still concerned with the issue of school district accountability. And these issues will impact the daily life of some teachers but not others and the impact will be determined by the school district’s willingness to provide reasonable accommodations in special education and their demonstrated compliance with law.

Regarding the possible outcomes, of course we cannot read the mind of the Court until the opinion will have been published. But we can make an educated guess about some things.

There are two major possible outcomes:

First, parents win. What do parents win? They win the right to go into a court, even without a lawyer, to pursue their child’s special education rights as protected by the statute and codified by the IEP.

This is a very narrow but very basic right.

It does sound UnAmerican to proclaim that parents have no rights and that the only way a special education student can obtain and enjoy protections of their rights is through a hired attorney.

We have traditionally deferred to parental expertise regarding choices about education throughout US history, with the sole exception perhaps of racial desegregation requirements in the second half of the twentieth century. Parents otherwise can usually choose a religious school or public school or private or even homeschooling.

Furthermore, there is the problem of who decides what is right for the child, if not the child’s own parent?

Presumably, if a child is represented by a lawyer that lawyer is ethically bound to make the best professional decisions, there is no reason to guarantee that such decisions would even take into account or be consistent with the preferences and choices made by the parents.

Another possible outcome is that the parents lose this long-standing highly prized and cherished right. Such an outcome would be strange and it would have implications for other areas of parental rights to make choices regarding education, especially voucher and religious education.

Obviously, if a statutory right to enforce parental choices or concerns does not exist, what can be said about parental rights that are really traditions, such as the choice of religious or secular education? Would each parent who wanted to make such a choice for their student over the school district’s objection then need a lawyer to enforce that right too?

Taking away the parental rights to bring these cases would not make sense under the IDEA statute, but it would make it easier for school districts to do what they want to special education students. This would be a harmful if not dangerous outcome, because it’s inevitable result would be: that no one is accountable in the system even when the system appears to be broken or spend untold large sums of money. So even if the school districts complain that parents don’t make the best decisions that cannot amount to a reason to prohibit parents from making those decisions.

5) What would be the relevance for Parent Teacher Associations (if any)?

This is a vital case that touches fundamental aspects of daily life of education for every child in the USA and therefore is of vital interest to every school Parent.
I repeat: This case has an impact on the daily life of every school child in the USA and their parents. That’s a lot of people. This is true because:

The fundamental tenet that parents have a right to go to court about choices in education of their children strikes at the heart of every parent.

Furthermore, the fact that every student is entitled to special education if needed, regardless whether the schooling is public or private, and that such students must be integrated into the classroom whenever possible under the IDEA statute’s requirements for “inclusion” means that the rules written into the opinion in this case will apply to every pre-K, kindergarten, middle school and secondary school classroom in the nation.

6) Historically, the IEP team, (Individual Educational Program) has determined the placement for children with special needs. What input do parents have, and how much, as non educators, SHOULD they have?

Well, that question really gets to the facts in Winkelman in the courts below.

Unfortunately, those questions are not directly of concern to our US Supreme Court. But the statute does answer this question by protecting the rights to “parental involvement” at several levels, and by requiring that parents be notified about IEP meetings and given the opportunity to participate in IEP deliberations. Some people, such as an errant father who also might refuse visitation or custody—some parents may choose to refuse to exercise any of those rights. But parents who are diligent can and may exercise those rights.

It is widely believed in the field that even though parents are a pain to deal with at meetings sometimes, parental input is nonetheless invaluable for creating an IEP that is operationalizable.

Parents have insights into the abilities and limits of their children and they have the ability to provide oversight when the child must perform tasks (such as homework assignments) in order to attain the written goals of the IEP. And parental co-operation is often required to obtain services. Not simply by signing a consent form but also to actually bring a child to necessary services such as speech and language training or tutors or occupational therapy.

I hasten to add that students have the right to attend their IEP at any age and the law even requires that an explanation be written if they do not attend after a specific age.

Few parents encourage their child to attend the IEP meetings, and this is really sad because ultimately, the child is the third party beneficiary of this IEP contract and whatever the child cannot or will not do can be written into pretty text on a lot of paper, but will ultimately only be achieved with their buy-in, active participation and willingness to perform the tasks required to achieve the goals in the IEP.

7) If parents disagree with their child's educational placement, does the law allow for other options, mediation etc

Yes, but what rights will parents have to access these systems if every student must be represented by a lawyer?

8) Should parents have to procure an attorney to get their child the appropriate education that parents believe they should have or should schools have to use their counsel to place the child in an environment that they believe appropriate?

Absolutely. Sad but true that winning Winkelman is a win for an illusory right.

Few physicians can take out their own appendix while under the knife or under the anesthetic. So too with bringing one’s own case. Everyone needs the right to bring a case, but few people should actually do so. Law school is expensive, however, and some people who are smart and wise and aware of their rights, like the family in Cherry Hill, (one parent is a doctor and one is a dentist) may have difficulty finding a lawyer to enforce protections for a free education.
There is an important distinction between having the right to bring a case and actually bringing it on one’s own without professional guidance or supervision. That does not require turning the IDEA statute into a Lawyer’s Full-Employment Act however, and how that plays out in daily life is one of the joys of practicing law.

9) What question have I neglected to ask?

What can parents do? I often have written:

Winning Civil rights is not a spectator sport. The right to special education is a civil right,

Get the best evidence. Have your child evaluated even when you think nothing is wrong. Ask a lot of questions. Do not take comfort in the friendly arms of denial. Make schools accountable for achieving IEP goals and get the very best information when writing an IEP. And most of all, stand up for your child’s rights.

ILISE L. FEITSHANS, JD and ScM, Barnard College, Columbia University B.A. Cum Laude 1979; Georgetown University Law Center JD 1983; Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health ScM 1996 has been writing about occupational health law, international laws governing health and disability laws andspeaking to parent groups for several years.

Published February 13, 2007 EdNews.org

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  • Comment #1 (Posted by Linda Stuivenga)
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    I must stand and cheer for the Winkelman's and every parent that stands up for their children's rights. We are the voices for our Disabled Children and our voices must be heard. Go Winky Go. Reed Martin POWER Member. Grandma
     
  • Comment #2 (Posted by an unknown user)
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    This is extremely one sided and does not take into consideration the enormous cost school districts would have to absorb if all parents could decide on the special education program for their child. Special education students already cost between eight and ten times more to educate than regular students. If that cost goes up regular students suffer. The greater question, although harsh, is what happens to these special education students after they complete school--after the special programs---after the forced mainstreaming---after the one-on-one education. How many end up with jobs? How many can live on their own? How many can contribute to the tax base that it takes to educate them?

    We have set up a wonderful program to educate these students, but we have also created a society that has no place for them. Does anyone ever think about how the young adult special education student feels after finishing their public education and now there is nothing. No one wants to hire them, no one wants to socialize with them. Now they look foward to a life in front of the television screen or computer screen.

    What have we done? This is so cruel it is almost unbelievable. People who are trying to be a hero to the underdog are actually setting them up for failure, and bringing down the rest of our publically educated students.
    Where is the other side??????
     
  • Comment #3 (Posted by Pat Flood)
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    This is a case that I want to watch as I know a parent who has taken her case as far as the Court of Appeals without a lawyer and the outcome of this case, could affect her also.
     
  • Comment #4 (Posted by Venus)
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    This case is of utmost importance to all children in schools. I must comment that USA school children recieve about 10,000 per child per year and then extra money for disabled or disadvantanged children. I have one regular ed child and 4 disabled children and We are NOT setting them up for failure after school and they can contribute to society after school. But that can NEVER happen without the proper intensive supports both in and out of school. I have living proof in my household with my children. One example is my Aspergers son. He will be an officer with the US Air Force as an aeronotical engineer. How is that any different than a Regular child? It is not! If the Supreme Court decides that parents can not represent their children then they must provide our children with court appointed attorneys. The schools are not held accountable today anyway. They rape, molest, abuse, neglect and emotionaly damage our children and Parents can not take out warrants, DA's refuse to press charges and the Parents have no other options avaiable to them. Standing up for your childrens rights at school is a difficult and nearly impossiable task. I got Banned for advocating for my children and other peoples children. That's Right! Banned from all school property. With no justification. When our goverment stops working for the people and starts working for theirselfs they are no longer our goverment. I would not believe a single American does not believe in the Consitiution. It is what gives us our freedom and the Bill of Rights along with many other laws. The constitution says our goverment is by the people for the people and If the goverment does not act accordingly then the people should rise up and overthrow the goverment and replace them with goverment officals that are by the people for the people. The USA is supposed to be a Democratic nation. Our school systems are Communist. Nazi-like. The school system and so called parent and student rights are a joke. There is no independent self-check system. It is a monolopy. Which is supposed to be illegal. But we all know the goverment officals(school) do exactly what they want to do and they know they cant be touched.(unless you are rich) So where does that leave your child?your grandchild? your nephew or neice? Your brother or sister? Anyone that believe that disabled people can not contribute to society are ignorant and have no idea that some of the greatest people in history had Autism spectrum disorders, Mental Illness, and many other disablilites. People are afraid to take a stand. They are afraid of what the schools will do to their children. They have reason to believe that because we have NO protection. My regualar ed child never suffered in her education because she had sibilings that were disabled. In fact, She had many more advantages offered to her than my disabled children have. The school districts have all the money they need. It just never makes it to the children and teachers. It stays in the administrations pockets. With just the regular 10,000 per child (normal kids)I could send my disbaled children to the best private school, get tutoring and everything they could possabily need. Give me the 10,000 per child for my children and I will show you what it can do. The money should be attached to the child and not to the LEA or SEA. My support are with the Winkelman's and I would stand in the snow, sleet, and rain right outside the supreme court to show my support. I would bet thousands of other parents would do the same. If I can help in ANY way, let me know. I am there.
     
  • Comment #5 (Posted by Nanci Bazzell)
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    This is one big mess. I'm a Deaf and Hard of Hearing teacher...who is Deaf. After the IEP was born, the system became messy and confusing. We do not have appropriate materials for the SPED kids because of the "Leave No Child Behind Act and funding. I don't even get access to communication in my own classroom. The system violated my civil rights. The school curriculum is designed for all students. Well, my students are different and in need of visual learning techniques. We are always revising the curriculum each time a new program emerges from the government. Mainstream and inclusion are like apples and oranges. I'm not in favor for the mainstreamed programs. Why, because none of the non SPED teachers do not appropriate materials or manuals to learn how to work with SPED students in overcroweded classrooms. Parents are not fully educated how to communicate effectively in the IEP meetings. Many don't show up at the IEPS. Many of them are still in denial. Many refused to learn American Sign Language to communicate with their Deaf children at home. Language comes first before speech training....how many of you want to see your child "say" I love you" at an early age. Many do not have the time to be mentors for their children. Many cannot speak English ....double standards for the Deaf children. There are parents who have extremeley high expectations for their children...that just doesn't make sense. It is truly sad for all of us.... This IEP meetings are supposed to be for a team.
    Parent, Teachers, students, and school. It is not only for the parents! We need to become team players. We, the teachers are very supportive. There are also burnout teachers who just gave up because nobody wanted to listen to them. ....why did we get degrees in education in the first place?? I have seen the parents demanding, uneducated, and in denial in the meetings. Is it possible the parents ever think their children just simply are not in the mood to study, do their homework, miss school, or do chores at home. We need to develop strong sense of independence and responsible kids....How many of you overprotecte your kids? My parents did! It didn't do any good. When I went to National Technical Institute for the Deaf on the campus of Rochester Institute of Technology, I realized how naive I was! Stop and just trusting teachers and students who believe in growth, independence, and confidence. But you have to be a part of it too.....We are not GODS! By the way, the LAUSD Los Angeles Unified School District want to settle our lawsuit case...lack of access in communication for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing Employees. It has taken me five years to this point. It is all about attitude. My lawyers and the fifteen other DHH teachers, staff, parents, and students are working on the goals. You should ask any Disabled teachers how they feel about education and the system. Trust me, you will be in for a big surprise of your life.
     
  • Comment #6 (Posted by Special Ed Advocate)
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    As I see it, the reason for protecting a parent's right to handle their own child's case is financial. Few parents can afford a lawyer to spend $25K or more to get a hearing, especially with no guarantee of reimbursement. The parents who are most likely to hire a lawyer have already eaten into their savings to pay for special services or private schools. For the rest of the schmucks who can't afford private school, can't afford a lawyer, and often don't have a strong grasp of special ed law, this entire case is irrelevant. They simply don't have access to enforce IDEA.

    So what's the solution? Special Ed lawyers for students paid for by taxpayers. It hardly seems fair that parents who pay for the services of a private lawyer also have to pay taxes for the school district's lawyers.
     
  • Comment #7 (Posted by Mary Roush)
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    The interviewee Feitshans concisely and simply expressed profound ideas that even those who have no experience in dealing with public special education can understand.
     
  • Comment #8 (Posted by C. Allred)
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    My support goes to the family involved in this case. There is definately something to be said for representing yourself/your child because there is no one that has more concern for what is best than the parent. When you have to involve a lawyer, they have no concept of what you have already done, experienced, how the child has progressed or regressed so that in itself is a red flag to their ability to ability to fully represent the affected child. However the bigger battle parents of special needs children is the attitude of the anonymous commenter. Would you be happy if gifted children were educated alone, or perhaps the children with asthma or diabetes? How do you feel about children that are unable to do math with any level of success? What about children that have a reading disability? There are many special needs children that can contribute to society once their education is complete. I suppose that if your regular education child was left in his own feces and urine for several hours that you would be okay with the way your child was treated? Perhaps if your child was not allowed to have his reading or math for 8 months because the district was unable to locate "a qualified teacher" without the parent's knowledge you would be okay with that as well. So based on your comments I should just accept these circumstances and feel lucky that they even let my child in the building? If I seek to have the district held accountable for these infractions makes me a burden on the system? Please walk a mile in our shoes before you judge us.
     
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